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BeitragThema: Das Geheimnis über Imu, Ihre Verbindung zu Nika, und der Schatz von Mary Geoise [ENGLISCH]   Das Geheimnis über Imu, Ihre Verbindung zu Nika, und der Schatz von Mary Geoise [ENGLISCH] EmptyMo 24 Jul - 19:37

   
Hi, ich reposte hier mal eine meiner (älteren)Theorien. Leider habe ich diese damals auf englisch geschrieben.
(Vor dem posten habe ich mir die Erlaubnis eines Moderators eingeholt, da man Posts eigentlich auf deutsch verfassen sollte.)
Na dann, viel spass beim lesen. Very Happy



Take everything with a big grain of salt. This is just a collection of raw thoughts that has been put together on a whim without relentless research.

The secret Treasure of Mary Geoise ist he power to control masses of people. And in order to use it,you need eternal youth. That eternal youth is granted by a Golden Chrysanthemum.

But what is the Golden Chrysanthemum?

You can read up on the Legend of the Golden Chrysanthemum here:

http://www.flowersandplantsassociation.org.uk/flowers/facts/a-d/chrysanth-history.htm

I think that Oda took inspiration from it and therefore made the Golden Chrysanthemum itself the magical Herb that restores ones youth. (some translations speak of eternal youth)

And one is in the possession of the World Government. The Gorosei and Imu to be more specific.

But where does it come from and how did they get their hands on it?

I believe that the Golden Chrysanthemum first blossomed on top the World Tree (you may call it Yggdrasil if you want to) of the Giants.

I should mention that I don’t know if the Chrysanthemum correlates directly with the lifespan of the giants or if the World Tree itself is giving birth to the longevity of things (in this case the chrysanthemum and the giants).

But there is one clue that Oda gave us that, in my oppinion, supports my theory.



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It’s this random gesture of Loki presenting a flower to Chiffon as a sign of intent of marriage.

I think that this gesture is a remnant of an old tradition of the Giants. From a time before the Void Century. It makes sense that, if a giant was to marry a normal human, it would come with problems.

One big one would the difference in life expectancy. To solve that problem, they offered a Golden Chrysanthemum which would grant them at least a higher life expectancy.

It’s most likely that this tradition is only reserved for the royal family. And if the royal family happens to be immortal, as some already theorise, or at least have an even longer life expectancy (lets say around 1000+ years), it would make even more sense for them.

And how did Imu-Sama get her hands on it?

Well for that, we have to go back in time again.

There once was a Land that was ruled by siblings.

A man and a woman. They may have been twins.

The man was Nika, the Sun God, and the woman was Imu, the Moon Goddess.

They both ruled over the Land equally. Similar to Neko and Inu on Zou. (The similarity in names Nika/Neko and Imu/Inu don’t seem to be a coincidence either).

This Land was the so called „Kingdom of Gods“(sun and moon god) on the Red Line that Whitebeard was talking about. And their people were called Lunarians. (Sun->fire power; Moon->name of the people „Luna“)



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But at this point in time, the Red Line wasn’t as we know it now. It didn’t go around the world and was not as high above the sea level.

It was a big Island that once connected to the sea directly.



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Like in real life, these big staircases usually descent into water directly.

But the water level around the globe changed after the continent pullers(ancient race of giants) were used to create the Red Line and other locations like Wano.



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One day a crew of giants arrived on their Island. One of them happens to be of royalty. Maybe even the young Odin or Thor himself. Upon seeing Imu, he decides to marry her. And by that he offered her the Golden Chrysanthemum.

Now after this point, there are just too many possibilties on what happened, that Oda could choose from.

But a cataclysmic war erupted, Nika died along with most of the D. clan and Imu and her possy (Gorosei) ended up gaining „eternal youth“ through the Golden Chrysanthemum.

Since then, the Golden Chrysanthemum has become the symbol of royalty.



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Before we go on. Let’s get more into the character of Imu. For that we have to look at another character. Doflamingo Donquixote. He is basically a mirror image of Imu.



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Doffy’s „family“ is just like the Gorosei for Imu.



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Just as Doffys family gets rid of everything he names, the Gorosei do the same for Imu.

(I am not going into on what scale the Gorosei might have influenced Imu’s ambition like Doffy’s family did with him)



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So she most likely also got a Devil Fruit or another kind of power from them. Which exactly is unclear. One option, when it comes to a Devil Fruit, is the mythical type „Apsara“. Either way, one apsect of her power is the power to control people and creatures. Again, just like Doffy with his parasyte string. Just in a bigger scale.

But that kinda power usually comes with a high cost. Like with many other Devil Fruit powers like Laws. That cost comes in form of lifeforce. Basically the more you use it, the shorter your life. The Golden Chrysanthemum negates that drawback.

So in order for Doffy to „use“ the secret of Mary Geoise he needed eternal youth. And since Doflamingo could’t get his hands on the Chrysanthemum, he wanted to use the Ope Ope no Mi to gain eternal youth. (As he stated himself)

And like every flower, even a Golden Chrsanthemum starts to wilt.



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All the similarities aside, there is also an interesting difference between them.

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Butterflys usually stand for freedom. And fitting Doffys ideology, being opposed to freedom, he cuts the Butterfly. In contrast to that, Imu „enjoys“ the company of the Butterfly. Meaning their is some deeper reason for Imu’s doing since she is not directly opposed to freedom but still decides to take it from everyone by taking controle over people.

That would explain why members of the D. clan are seen as the so called „enemy of the gods“.

Because „it appears that all share a deep desire for freedom and have strong faith in their own (and others') dreams and/or destiny. When a "D." appears, the general consensus is that they are going to stir things up on a global scale, for better or worse.“\[One Piece Wiki\]

So their desire for freedom will cause the loss of Imu’s controle.



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Other connections between Imu and the Golden Chrysanthemum.

1. The name „Imu“ can be read as or connected to the number 16.

The Golden Chrysanthemum was Japans imperial emblem and was depicted with 16 petals.

2. There is a Chrysanthemum Throne in Japan. Better known as „The Empty Throne“

Extra:



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The connection between these three characters, is that they each are the reincarnation or better, carry the Will of someone important.

Shirahoshi -> Poseidon

Blackbeard -> Xebec -> someone still unknown from the Void Century

Luffy -> Nika

Someone else that carried the Will of Nika was Noland.

He brought smiles to the faces of children as he told them storys of his adventure.

He freed the Shandian people from their believe in a false god, basically breaking their shackles(freeing slaves)

Also the Nut on his head has the same shape as Nikas spear and the top oft he golden Bellfry.



**Edit:**

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From u/AfroPirate94:

"I love how original this is! Something I think would help your theory a small amount is Big Mom's words about the giants. She said she would have the power to conquer the world if Lola married the giants. Her df awakening allows her to eat her lifespan to gain power. If the flower restores youth, she could infinitely eat her lifespan and continue gaining power.

Imo there's no other reason for her to want the giants. They're a powerful race but we've seen several mid tier characters defeat them pretty easily. Hajrudin is supposed to be the leader of the new giant pirates and represent strength on par with Dorry/Brogy (my headcanon) but he got his ass kicked all over Dressrosa. Of cpurse, the narrator said the fleet would change the world so Hajrudin will get stronger. But as of now the giants seem overhyped and I see no reason BM wants them other than this theory being true"
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Some questions and arguments from the comments I would like to include:



**Q.1**: This why this whole theory falls apart IMO, I highly doubt you'd have two sources of immortality at the same time in the same story and Law & his fruit have already been established as important.

**Q.2:** I guess this is where the thinking would diverge, because I dont believe there's any evidence of multiple people being immortal. In which case you wouldn't really need to hunt down Law for his Fruit because it's already been used in this generation. People dont desire the Giants because they're long lived, Humans are pretty long lived themselves in OP, they desire Giants because they're really fuckin big and powerful.

**A**: Yes it's also plausible that there only would be the Ope Ope no Mi.  But I'd like to think that there is more. Also the drawback of sacrifcing your own life is pretty hefty.

As I said, it might be that the Chrysanthemum (if it exists) only restores ones youth and you would have to use it every generation or so. Imagine brewing a tea with the leaves. The possibility of someone from the past using the Ope Ope no Mi's eternal youth surgery on Imu would obviously be more likely, but also kinda boring IMO.

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**Q**: Hold up. Imu is a female?!

**A**: It's not confirmed but it makes the most sense storywise.

Before Imu, we thought that 5 men(Gorosei) where on top of the WG. But it tunred out to be someone above them. Another man would be very boring and wouldn't fit Oda's style of writing.  Also the name(Kanji) Imu is mostly(if not completely) used for naming females. At least according to google.

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**Q**: So what would be the secret of Mary Geoise, and how is it tied to the straw hat?

**A:** I can't give you a definite answer for both of these questions.

I can only guess at this point.

1. I already answered what the "secret" of Mary Geoise does, so I guess you mean what it actually is?  
If thats the case: I would guess that it's either the awakening of a mythical type Devil Fruit that uses someones lifeforce as fuel or an ancient device that also uses someone lifeforce as fuel.

2. How is it tied to the Straw Hat?

If to Golden Chrysanthemum really exists: The Straw Hat might be woven out of the Petals of the Chrysanthemum.  
At least the one in Mary Geoise.

That opens up two new possibilities.

1. The most likely one is that Luffys Straw Hat is a replica from the Original one in Mary Geoise from long ago.

2. But if there is a chance of Luffys Straw Hat also being woven out of the Petals, it could mean that it was once given as a gift. The giant had his own(the big one in Mary Geoise) and gave the small one to the human he wanted to marry.  

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**Q**: Some things i didnt get:

• why Imu want to control the masses? She is not opposed to freedom

• why did she fight with her brother?

• What exactly is the power in marygeois?

**A**: I can't give you a definite answer for those questions.

I can only guess at this point.

1. Well at least it seems like she is not opposed to freedom by choice.  
There might be something bigger going on in the world of One Piece we don't know of yet.  
She might be the reason why the world of One Piece doesn't end up in complete chaos.  
If we would follow Luffy's example of doing what we feel like, the world would end up in a chaotic riot, a lawless state of being.  
Is it good as it is? No. But it might be that she is trying to prevent worse.  
The answer for peace and justice is not an easy one. That's why every Admiral represents another aspect of it.

Akainu: Absolute Justice

Aokiji: Lazy Justice

Kizaru: Unclear Justice

Tsuru: Cleansing Justice

Sengoku: Reigning Justice

Fujitora: Human Justice

2. While very possible, I never mentioned that she fought against her brother.

They could have foght together. I'll leave this for everyone to decide for themselves

3. I would guess that it's either the awakening of a mythical type Devil Fruit

that uses someones lifeforce as fuel or an ancient device that also uses someone lifeforce as fuel.

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**Q**: -her possy (Gorosei) ended up gaining „eternal youth“-

We see some of the gorosei age over time.

**A**: Thank you for that information. Smile

Can't confirm, but if it's true, the gorosei weren't present during the Void Century and only Imu used or uses the Golden Chrysanthemum.



 

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